sounds like I'm coming to Steven's house for menudo (that was an
invitation wasn't it? kinda sounded like it to me if you read a little
between the lines). Sorry about changing and going off topic but the
Chihuahua version of Menudo had the whole thing pansa, hominy, chile
broth, a broth made with tomatillo, some secret spices, garnished with
oregano, onion and squeezes of Limon. Topped off with piles of homemade
Tortillas de Harina.
The thing about not mixing Corn tortillas with other things that had
corn was also practiced in my family but never with menudo because we
used to eat the flour tortillas and not corn tortillas with it. Usually
when it came to eating Chilaquiles which was cut up corn tortillas with
a very nice chile sauce topped with cheese [which of course all my life
being the fat boy I couldn't help but eat with additional corn
tortillas much to the aggravation of my mom].
But as far as the "Sweetbreads" go . . .shucks I never ate that stuff
back then, but would definitely at least give it a try now. I probably
eat it in a Southern food they have hear called "Scrapple." But my
folks used to eat all that stuff including brains. I personally
absolutely loved to ear Goat head, hmm, hmm, good.
Now I know we have gotten off topic so how can we get this back to why
our folks were eating the parts that traditionally folks today throw
away. . .can I speculate that at certain times times were hard and
people ate what was available? Do we have any documents on historical
Famines in out Target area? How about these:
Alboroto y motín de los
Indios de Mexico :
LS,
Carlos de Sigüenza
y Góngora;
Hubert Howe Bancroft
1692
Spanish
 Book
: Thesis/dissertation/manuscript
 Archival Material
80 p. ; 31 cm. partial microfilm reel (43 exposures) : negative
(Rich. 393:6) and positive.
Letter
from Sigüenza to Admiral Andrés de Pez. Summarizes various events,
e.g., floods, a solar eclipse, crop failure and famine, which preceded
the Indian uprising of June 8 against the Spaniards, describes the
revolt, and extols the remedial measures taken by civil and
ecclesiastical authorities.
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| Title: |
Alboroto y motín de los Indios de Mexico :
1692 Aug. 30. LS, |
| Author(s): |
Sigüenza
y Góngora, Carlos de, 1645-1700. ; Bancroft,
Hubert Howe,; 1832-1918. ; Collection. |
| Year: |
1692 |
| Description: |
Originals :
80 p. ; 31 cm. Copies : partial microfilm reel (43 exposures) :
negative (Rich. 393:6) and positive. |
| Language: |
Spanish; In
Spanish. |
| Abstract: |
Letter
from Sigüenza to Admiral Andrés de Pez. Summarizes various events,
e.g., floods, a solar eclipse, crop failure and famine, which preceded
the Indian uprising of June 8 against the Spaniards, describes the
revolt, and extols the remedial measures taken by civil and
ecclesiastical authorities. |
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SUBJECT(S) |
| Descriptor: |
Floods.
Solar
eclipses -- 1692.
Indians
-- Warfare -- Mexico. |
| Named Person: |
Pez,
Andrés de. |
| Note(s): |
Also
available on microfilm. |
| General Info: |
Forms part
of the Hubert Howe Bancroft Collection. |
| Material
Type: |
Manuscript
(mss) |
| Document
Type: |
Book;
Archival Material |
| Entry: |
19920915 |
| Update: |
20040527 |
| Accession No: |
OCLC:
26608741 |
| Database: |
WorldCat |
I think that first book might be outside our target area but sometimes
books like these have great bibliographys that might have books that
cover our target area.
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Well again maybe outside our target area:
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The Journey of
Alvar Nunez Cabeza de Vaca
Alvar Nunez
Cabeza de Vaca
2003
English
 Internet Resource
Wisconsin Historical Society A.S. Barnes & Company
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well maybe this one is on:
Archivo General del Congreso
del Estado de Jalisco,
Jalisco (Mexico).;
Jalisco (Mexico).
1813-1874
Spanish
Archival Material
:  Microform
17 microfilm reels.
Minutes,
legal documents, memoranda, and assorted documents generated by or
pertaining to the government of the state of Jalisco, Mexico. The
materials record the deliberations, internal procedures, and decisions
of the state congress of Jalisco and acknowledge and respond to
official communications to the congress from Jalisco's municipalities
and neighboring Mexican states; they also document the concern of state
and municipal governments for elections, public security and order, and
tax collection....
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| Title: |
Archivo General del Congreso del Estado de Jalisco,
1813-1874 |
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Author(s): |
Jalisco
(Mexico). Congreso. ; Jalisco
(Mexico).; Congreso. |
| Year: |
1813-1874 |
| Description: |
17 microfilm
reels. |
| Language: |
Spanish; In
Spanish. |
| Abstract: |
Minutes,
legal documents, memoranda, and assorted documents generated by or
pertaining to the government of the state of Jalisco, Mexico. The
materials record the deliberations, internal procedures, and decisions
of the state congress of Jalisco and acknowledge and respond to
official communications to the congress from Jalisco's municipalities
and neighboring Mexican states; they also document the concern of state
and municipal governments for elections, public security and order, and
tax collection. Reels 1-6 contain Libros de Actas (1824-1873)
summarizing the transactions of the congress in session and the work of
its various commissions. Selections from El País and other periodicals
(1962-1872), on reels 6-9, report deliberations of the congress and
often portray judicial and political turmoil. They reflect the
congress' taxing function; oversight of municipal finances and regional
boundaries; provisions for public health, education, and safety; and
communications with Mexico's central government. Reel 9 also documents
proceedings against Governor Antonio Gómez Cuervo in 1868. On reel 10
are congressional "actas" dating from 1849 to 1852, followed by
"documentos sueltos" (1813-1874), which continue through reel 17. The
latter form the chief concentration of evidence regarding the
interaction of municipalities with the congress, as nearly one-third
are legal documents supporting petitions for relief from disaster,
famine, taxes, bandits, and landowners. Some of the "documentos
sueltos" have been collected under the headings "Hacienda," "Justicia,"
"Fomento," and "Gobernación," but vary in subject and type; they
include official and personal correspondence, circulars, flyers,
proclamations, notes and lists, census statistics on merchants and
property owners, state and municipal budgets, reports, manifestos, and
maps. |
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SUBJECT(S) |
| Named Person: |
Gómez
Cuervo, Antonio. |
| Named Corp: |
Jalisco
(Mexico). Congreso. |
| Geographic: |
Jalisco
(Mexico) -- History -- 1810-
Jalisco
(Mexico) -- Politics and government -- 1810- |
| Note(s): |
Variations
in filming contrast affect legibility. Date ranges given in the scope
note represent merely the span and do not imply completeness./ Reproduction:
Microfilm/ 1972./ Bio/History: The state congress of Jalisco
was formed in the year 1823, as a unicameral body. |
| General Info: |
Organization:
Filmed in chronological groups. Ninety volumes of Actas are
interspersed with several groups of selections from periodicals and
followed by "documentos sueltos."/ Preferred citation: Archivo
General del Congreso del Estado de Jalisco, 1813-1874, Benson Latin
American Collection, General Libraries, University of Texas at Austin./
Original or duplicate materials: Originals in: Archivo
General del Congreso del Estado de Jalisco./ List of reel contents in
library. |
| Entry: |
19951101 |
| Update: |
20020418 |
| Material
Type: |
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(mfl) |
| Document
Type: |
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Material |
| Accession No: |
OCLC:
33400069 |
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hmm, outside again:
Historical geography of
Latin America :
papers in honor of Robert C. West /
Robert Cooper West;
William V Davidson;
James Jerome Parsons
1980
English
Book
163 p. : ill. ; 28 cm.
Baton Rouge : School of Geoscience, Louisiana State
University,
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| Title: |
Historical geography of Latin America :
papers in honor of Robert C. West / |
| Author(s): |
West,
Robert Cooper,; 1913- ; Davidson,
William V. ; Parsons,
James Jerome,; 1915- |
| Publication: |
Baton Rouge
: School of Geoscience, Louisiana State University, |
| Year: |
1980 |
| Description: |
163 p. :
ill. ; 28 cm. |
| Language: |
English |
| Series: |
Geoscience
and man ;; v. 21; |
| Contents: |
Davidson,
W. V. and Parsons, J. J. Robert C. West, geographer.--Turner, B. L.
Geography and prehistory in southern Mesoamerica.--Patrick, L. L. A
proposed location of the southern provincial boundary of
fifteenth-century Tlaxcala, Mexico.--Licate, J. A. The forms of Aztec
territorial organization.--Smole, W. J. Musa cultivation in
pre-Columbian South America.--Williams, B. J. Pictorial representation
of soils in the valley of Mexico.--Barrett, E. M. Indian community
hospitals in colonial Michoacán.--Edwards, C. R. Geographical coverage
of the sixteenth-century Relaciones de Indias from South
America.--Robinson, D. J. Population patterns in a northern Mexican
mining region.--Swann, M. M. The demographic impact of disease and
famine in late colonial northern Mexico.--Winberry, J. J. Development
of the Mexican railroad system.--Rees, P. W. Railroads and the
development of the urban hierarchy in nineteenth-century eastern
Mexico.--Harvey, H. R. Religious networks of central Mexico.--Wiseman,
F. M. The edge of the tropics.--Denevan, W. M. Field work as
exploration. |
| Standard No: |
LCCN:
80-120352 |
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SUBJECT(S) |
| Descriptor: |
Human
geography -- Latin America.
Indians.
Indios
de Hispanoamérica. |
| Named Person: |
West,
Robert Cooper, 1913- |
| Geographic: |
Latin
America -- Historical geography. |
| Note(s): |
Includes
bibliographies. |
| Class
Descriptors: |
LC:
GF514; Dewey:
972 |
| Responsibility: |
editors,
William V. Davidson and James J. Parsons. |
| Material
Type: |
Government
publication (gpb); State or province government publication (sgp) |
| Document
Type: |
Book |
| Entry: |
19800821 |
| Update: |
20030916 |
| Accession No: |
OCLC:
6576221 |
| Database: |
WorldCat |
I'll look for more later.
joseph
Pacorro73@... wrote:
My family is from the Ocotlan area and Los Altos de Jalisco, and
among us the favorite is menudo, which as you know is beef tripe
(panza) stew. Although we don't have it that often, menudo can be
eaten with a heck of a lot more than just panza. Once when I was in
Ocotlan, Jalisco, at my dad's cousin's house, I got served menudo con
bofe, which are, I believe, lungs, pancreas, and spleen (also known as
sweetbreads). And I know what you're probably thinking...YUM YUM!
Sound's rather raunchy if you ask me, but I had it anyway, and it
wasn't half bad. With lots of oregano, onions, cilantro, lemon,
crushed chile, and tortillas, it tasted just like regular menudo, only
the "meat" had a different texture and was much softer than panza. All
this stuff, and menudo in general, is the cure for what ails you and
can cure hanovers.
I have never heard of putting pata de res in anything, much less
menudo. It is by far more common to have it with pata de puerco, or
even tendon, which is basically still pig's feet but without the hoof.
I have had it like that here at home. My mom makes it like that
sometimes, and it is quite good. So by having it this way, you are
essentially mixing meats, beef tripe with pig's feet. Oh, and
traditionally in Los Altos, menudo is not supposed to have any granos,
or hominy, at all. But of course, this is not universal.
Some people, however prefer a stew called pozole. My mom is one
of these people and delights in making pozole. It is made with
espinazo de puerco, cuts of pork, lots of hominy, and sometimes oreja
and cabeza de puerco. I had the best plate of pozole in Atotonilco el
Alto, Jalisco. They serve it with a thick, red chile, broth, kind of
like menudo. Then it is garnished with chopped onions, cabbage,
crushed chile, and lemon. When I was in Mexico, they offered me sour
oranges, a type of orange with bumpy skin and sour like a lemon, but
with a taste of orange. It was quite good. As far as I know, the
tradition is that you eat pozole with tostadas, NOT WITH TORTILLAS.
Only menudo is eaten with tortillas, and that is because it is not
supposed to have corn hominy. But since pozole already has hominy, you
are not supposed to eat it with corn tortillas.
So to recap, its OK to mix beef and pork in one soup but not OK
to eat corn hominy and corn tortillas together. Go figure traditions.
Who made this stuff up anyway??
I hope you liked these little anecdotes about menudo and pozole,
and the funny traditions that bind them.
Regards,
Steven Francisco Hernandez Lopez
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