Re: [ranchos] Re: Names (to Janet)

["Janet Iglesias" <reynavaleria@...>]

Yup, I actually do have a Curiel on my family tree from Guachinango. They are also related to "Curiel" from Mascota & Atenguillo. There might be a connection.

 

Let me know when your ready to explore that branch.

 

Janet

----- Original Message -----

From: sgapodaca

To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 3:14 PM

Subject: [ranchos] Re: Names (to Janet)

Hello Janet.

I think I had contact with you in the past. I am sorry to tell you,
but my Cervantes ancestors are all from the Zacoalco area (Santa
Catarina, San Marcos, Atotonilco el Bajo, San Andres, Los Pozos).
Also, I strongly believe that my Ramirez line is from El Crucero, a
town close to Zacoalco.

However, I do have ancestors from Atenguillo and Acatitlan, which is
close to Guachinango. My family surnames from this area are Curiel,
Diaz, Pena, and Casares, but I have not researched these lines a lot.
Something interesting that I have noticed is that everytime I know of
someone researching this area, they all have a Curiel branch on their
family tree. I bet that you do, too. Once, when I was checking a
baptism book from Atenguillo, I noticed that "Curiel" was one of the
most common surnames in the index. Up to this date I have confirmed a
family tie to only one other Curiel researcher, but I am confident
that all the Curieles around this area descend from a single ancestor.

Let me know what you think about it.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Janet Iglesias" <reynavaleria@h...>
wrote:
> Hello:
>
> I was reading your entry and wondering if there was a connection.
My grandmother maiden name was Cervantes Castrejon and was raised in
Manzanillo, Colima. Her fathers name was Pedro Cervantes. I also have
Ramirez in the family tree from my fathers side "Iglesias" from
Guachinango, Jalisco and my mother side "Ramirez" is from Coahuila
(we think).
>
> Please let me know.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Janet
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: sgapodaca
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 10:06 AM
>   Subject: [ranchos] Re: Names
>
>
>   Hello. During my research, I once found a record of an
illegitimate
>   child just by chance. I was checking the baptisms in Atotonilco
el
>   bajo/santa clara, Jalisco of children with the last name
Cervantes.
>   Most of them were not related to me, but I found a girl whose
last
>   name was Cervantes. she was the illegitimate daughter of a woman
with
>   the last name Hernandez and of my greatgrandfather's brother
Bacilio
>   Apodaca. However, she was not named neither Apodaca or Hernandez.
>   Why? Because in the record it showed that this child was not
claimed
>   by the father, but by the paternal grandmother, Guadalupe
Cervantes.
>   So, in this case, the child inherited the paternal's
grandmother's
>   maiden surname.
>
>   I believe there's not a standard about naming illegitimate
children,
>   since my second great grandfather Evaristo Ramirez kept the last
name
>   of his father, even though he was a natural child.
>
>   --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "alice_wissing"
<alice_wissing@y...>
>   wrote:
>   > While looking at the International Genealogical Index I came
across
>   > an ancestor possibly having a child with a woman other than his
>   wife
>   > during the late 1700's.  The child carried the father's last
name
>   > only (no mother's name attached at the end)and only the
mother's
>   > first name was listed.  I was under the impression an
illegitimate
>   > child never used his father's last name, so this confused me.
>   >
>   > I've ordered a copy of the entry from the History Center, but
it
>   > will take weeks for me to receive it.  In the meantime, does
anyone
>   > know if there were strict standards regarding an illegitimate
>   > child's use of a father's last name?  And also, why would only
a 
>   > first name be listed for a mother?  I see this all the time
while
>   > perusing the IGI. 
>   >
>   > Thanks,
>   >
>   > Alicia
>
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