More info on several Los Altos lineages.

[Pacorro73@...]

Dear Irma,

I'm so glad you enjoyed the few bits of data I was able to put together for you.  I am currently sending more and these should also be available in the files section of Ranchos.  When I have a chance I'll post a simple overview of my basic lineage and then I'll into more detail.  But even before that, Irma, I'll send you something showing my connection to your families...I mean...our families.  The thing is, we share so many ancestors, I don't even know where to begin.  And just to give you an idea, I have been researching for a little over ten years.  I've gleaned my ancestry not just from microfilm but from the various books that have already been published about Alteño genealogy.

Just before I even got your reply with the answer as to who Ma. Josepha Pérez's parents were, I had already done a little digging and discovered them for myself.  I have tons of indefinite films from every town in Los Altos at my local family history center, including San Miguel el Alto and Jalos.  I researched one of the her siblings and found out that Ma. Josepha's parents were Joseph Bernardo Pérez de Paredes and María Micaela Gutiérrez de Mendoza, individuals I already had in my family tree program.  See, all I needed was to make the connection.  In case you want to get their actual marriage record, here's their IGI info:

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
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JOSEPH BERNARDO PERES DE PAREDES
  Male   Family

Parents:
  Father:  JOACHIN PERES DE PAREDES Family
  Mother:  JOSEPHA FERNANDES DE RUEDA  

Marriages:
  Spouse:  MARIA MICAELA GUTIERES Family
  Marriage:  08 MAY 1765   Nuestra Senora De La Asuncion, Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, Mexico


Parents:
  Father:  JOSEPH FERNANDO GUTIERES Family
  Mother:  ANDREA MASIAS  

Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

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M603225  1748 - 1768  0279296   Film  NONE   

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As you can see from the attached pedigree chart, I had already researched this line quite thoroughly.  You're probably noticing that these Pérez people used slightly different last names.  At times they'd go by Pérez de Paredes and at other times, Pérez Franco.  Fear not, they are in fact the same surname and the same family.  Another variation of that same surname was Franco de Paredes.  This is because these three family surnames have the same origin.  They are all descended from don Alonso Pérez Torillo, native of Huelva, España, son of don Andrés Pérez and doña María Torillo.  In 1654, in the town of Silao (Guanajuato), he married doña Luisa de Paredes y Montoya (born May 1632, in Silao), daughter of don Blas de Paredes and doña Anna María Franco de Montoya.  The various names in both of their ancestries became melded in this new family in the New World.  So we get Pérez (which is the direct male line) attached to Franco and Paredes, which came from Alonso's wife Luisa.  What this means is that anyone whose last name is Pérez de Paredes, Pérez Franco, and Franco de Paredes, are all related.  (See Joseph, this is another one of those examples of children of the same couple having different surnames, and then passing on the different last names to future generations.)

The Hermosillo family is pretty much the same scenario.  The original name was González de Hermosillo, because our most distant ancestor came from the town of Hermosilla, in the province of Burgos, in northern Spain.  Our ancestor, Capitán don Juan González de Hermosillo (son of don Alonso de Hermosillo and doña Catalina González), was an hijodalgo (hidalgo) which participated in the third expedition of the conquest of Mexico, under the command of don Hernán Cortés.  Don Juan was born around 1495, which can be deduced from the age he gave in his Pasaje a Indias in 1515, when he said he was "veinte años poco más o menos"--twenty years, more or less.  Before moving on to New Spain, he appears in Cuba around 1518, by which we can conclude he also took part in the conquest and colonization of the island.  He was Corregidor, Justicia Mayor, Alcalde, and Visitador, keeping this last post under the administrations of three viceroys: don Antonio de Mendoza, don Luis de Velasco, and don Martín Enríquez de Almanza.  Don Juan was married to doña Catalina Ramírez.  (Source: Blasones y Apellidos, segunda edición, Fernando Muñoz Altea, 2002, página 475.)

Their grandson, don Juan González de Hermosillo, married to doña Anna Rodríguez de la Magdalena, were the parents of OUR Juan González de Hermosillo, baptized on 8 July 1571 in the Sagrario, Mexico City.  This Juan was the progenitor of the entire and vastly widespread Hermosillo families.  Don Juan married doña María Muñoz around 1587, and moved to the Jalostotitlán area in Nueva Galicia.  His children, grandchildren, and other descendants would then adopt the following surnames: González de Hermosillo, Ramírez de Hermosillo, Muñoz de Hermosillo, García de Hermosillo, Sánchez de Hermosillo, Gutiérrez de Hermosillo, and Hermosillo.  Your Hermosillo, as well as Gutiérrez de Hermosillo, González de Hermosillo, and Ramírez de Hermosillo, are all descended from this marriage.

So Irma it is important that you find out the parents of don Juan María de Hermosillo and Ma. Rafaela Gutiérrez.  As of right now, I don't know who they are.  But I guarantee that once you find out who their parents are, I'll have those guys, whoever they are.  Therefore, you should review what you have up to this point:

Children of Juan María de Hermosillo & Ma. Rafaela Gutiérrez:

  Juan María de HERMOSILLO b: ca 1785 in San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco d: Unknown
. +María-Rafaela GUTIÉRREZ b: ca 1787 in San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco m: ca 1806 in San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco d: Unknown

1  María-Guadalupe Alejandra HERMOSILLO b: 07 May 1807 in San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco d: Unknown
2  José-Antonio de Santa Rosa HERMOSILLO b: 11 September 1811 in San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco d: Unknown
3  José-Basilio HERMOSILLO b: 28 June 1815 in Encarnación de Díaz, Jalisco d: Unknown
4 José-Antonio HERMOSILLO b: 14 August 1819 in Jalostotitlán, Jalisco d: Unknown
5 Juana-María HERMOSILLO b: 14 February 1822 in La Parada, Jalostotitlán, Jalisco d: Unknown
... +José-Trinidad GÓMEZ b: ca 1818 in La Parada, Jalostotitlán, Jalisco m: 24 February 1838 in Jalostotitlán, Jalisco d: Unknown Father: Juan-Francisco de San José GÓMEZ Mother: María-Jesús de San Cristóbal de la LOZA

Begin by ordering the following microfilms:

Title
Registros parroquiales, 1767-1957
Authors
Iglesia Católica (San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco)
Microfilm de manuscritos en San Miguel el Alto.
Subjects
Mexico, Jalisco, San Miguel el Alto - Church records
95 rollos de microfilm ; 35 mm.

Bautismos 1805-1821 -  VAULT INTL Film [ 0279424 ]

Title
Registros parroquiales, 1659-1957
Authors
Iglesia Católica. Nuestra Señora de la Asunción (Jalostotitlán, Jalisco) (Main Author)
Notes
Microfilme de manuscritos en el archivo de la parroquia.
Algunos de los registros incluyen índice.
Parish registers of baptisms, marriages, marriage petitions, deaths, and confirmations from Jalostotitlán, Jalisco, Mexico.
Some of the registers include an index.
Subjects
Mexico, Jalisco, Jalostotitlán - Church records
168 rollos de microfilme ; 35 mm.

Bautismos de hijos legítimos 1819-1828 -  FHL INTL Film [ 0279266 ]

By ordering these films, you'll be guaranteed that you'll find Juan Hermosillo and Rafaela Gutiérrez's parents, if not from your own ancestor, Juana María, but from her other siblings.  That way, if there is some discrepancy in one or more of the baptism records, you'll have others to fall back on.  Never rely on one single source.  Always OVER-research instead of UNDER-research.

By the way, Irma, what relation is José Juan Gómez to you?  Is he your great-grandfather or grandfather?  Do you have info on your other lines?  Now that I've seen the little you posted, I can't wait to see what else is in your tree...and how far it goes.  And like I said before, I'll post something on my lines soon.

Wish you the best of luck through hard work.  Y como dice Joseph, no hay que tenerle miedo al trabajo duro, porque si nosotros los mexicanos nos decidimos, con empeño y esfuerzo, podemos logar todas nuestras metas.  ¡Sí se puede!

Hasta la próxima,
Tu primo "Paco"
Steven Francisco Hernández López.
(aka Steven F. Hernández)

-----Original Message-----
Subj: RE: [ranchos] Los Gómez de Jalostotitlán. 
Date: 4/29/2003 3:52:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: igomezlucero@csus.edu
To: Pacorro73@aol.com
Sent from the Internet (Details)

Hi Steven,
    A big wow!  I just looked at the charts you posted.  This is so
exciting.  I have always been interested in geneology.   My abuelito,
Fernando Gutierrez (on my mom's side) was also into geneology.  I think that
this is where I got the bug.  You know, I have been researching my geneology
for a few years now. I just ventured into microfilm via the Family History
Ctr a little over three years ago.  I went to Mexico (Jalostotitlan, San
Juan de los Lagos, and Aguascalientes--where many of my dad's siblings have
moved to)last Summer with my dad.  There I met a second cousin (on my mom's
side, again) who is also into geneology.  He filled in a lot on several
branches.
    My Ma. Juana Hermosillo line stops with Juan-Maria Hermosillo & Ma.
Rafaela Gutierrez, until I can begin researching San Miguel El Alto--I
noticed through Family Search that Maria Juana was baptized there.  I know
that once I'm able to access her baptismal I can continue on up.  Wow, if
you have that information I would most definitely appreciate this.  I am
currently researching the Jalos Baptismal records from 1792-1806.  I have
tried to stick to one town at a time, and work up.  Since three of my
grandparents were from Jalos, I've been researching Jalos.  My grandmother's
family was mainly from San Juan de los Lagos.
    As soon as I can, I will post the other branches to the website.
As I told Joseph, I'm having computer problems, so I'm just recreating word
documents with the bare bones branches.  I have my family history software
on my home computer, but I'm having problems accessing my email from home.
I'd be interested in any information you can give me.  I'm interested in
where you fit into the family.  I also noticed that your other last name is
Lopez.  On my mother's side, her great great grandmother's name was Maria de
Jesus Lopez (Jalos, too).  I'll include this into the posting.  This is so
amazing...   

Thanks again,
Irma

    In response to your other question.  Maria-Josefa Perez's folks
were:

Jose Bernardo Perez    and    Micaela or Miguela Ramirez
Thanks Again for your help,
Irma

P.S. I'll post my other branches, hopefully by tomorrow.

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